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Post by Victor Synn on Mar 28, 2005 21:13:39 GMT -5
First of all, let me start out by saying that I've never been a fan of Springsteen's music at any point in his career, but I saw on AOL that they were offering a first listen to Bruce's new "Anti-War Anthem." So I decided to go ahead and take a listen out of morbid curiosity.
First, I'll start by saying the song sucks. I understand that Bruce is going the modern folk route recently with his last offerings, but come on. Is this guy trying to be Bob Dylan? Sorry to say (or is it thankfully?), but there is only one Bob Dylan. The song is downright depressing and makes me feel like jumping out of a window with a strand of concertina wire wrapped around my neck. At least in the late 60's, anti-war songs came in all forms from fast and upbeat to depressing and dark. There was something for everyone.
Now onto my personal thoughts on this song. I think it's a miserable piece of shit from a washed up has been of a star. Why the hell does Springsteen feel the need to grandstand every damn time he makes a song? Look, I don't give a flying fuck about how Bruce feels about the war, but he makes a song that, I'm sure, he feels speaks for the American Soldier, but Bruce is obviously out of his fucking mind. In fact, I would venture to say that this song does NOT speak for the American soldier who took an oath to defend the land of the free and home of the brave. My late grandfather served in the Pacific Theater in World War II and he would turn in his grave if he heard this song. He knew what he was doing overseas and so do the rest of the brave soldiers who still defend our freedoms overseas. This song is demoralizing in every sense of the word. What I find funny is that in the 80's, Born in the USA made millions of dollars for Bruce, but it was an anti-government song. Hell, Reagan used it as a campaign song. Hindsight is 20/20 and if Reagan were alive today, he may think twice about using the song. But that's really not the point. The point here is that Sprinsteen is a neo-hippy punk who should take a good look and see that the people that he is attempting to demoralize are the same people who keep his right to demoralize them. It takes a real man to sit and protest a war that he didn't volunteer to take part in. If he had war experience, then maybe he'd be more credible, but he doesn't. He's working his agenda and doing poorly at that. Word to the wise...if you plan on releasing a piece of shit like this to the public, make sure you know the whole population agrees with what you say. So to all the men and women of the armed services who do us honor by protecting our freedoms and the freedoms of an unpatriotic asshole like Bruce Springsteen, FUCK YOU!
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Post by urcruechic on Mar 29, 2005 2:27:41 GMT -5
Ive never liked Bruce Springsteen...Always thought he sucked...And I will make note not to bother giving his new stuff a shot...
I totally agree with you...He sux...
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Post by Victor Synn on Mar 29, 2005 8:13:03 GMT -5
Born to Run was probably the last song Bruce did that was worth anything. After that, he became a grandstanding, holier-than-thou, piece of trash.
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Post by Rod Splitzer on Mar 29, 2005 13:09:20 GMT -5
Personally, I think that Bruce is one of the greatest songwriters that America has ever produced. I don't much care for his music, but the songwriting holds up against the best of the best, people like Cat Stevens, Carole King, and Bob Dylan.
That said, Bruce went off the deep end at "Born In The USA" and hasn't looked back. His career after that record took a hit from a credibility standpoint and I don't think he's ever recovered.
Hell, "Tunnel Of Love" was almost as bad as the KISS disco album.
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Post by Victor Synn on Mar 29, 2005 15:15:28 GMT -5
Personally, I think that Bruce is one of the greatest songwriters that America has ever produced. I don't much care for his music, but the songwriting holds up against the best of the best, people like Cat Stevens, Carole King, and Bob Dylan. He WAS a good songwriter. Before he became a fucking activist. I take great exception to anyone who demoralizes our military and our president in time of war. You don't have to like his politics and you may think we're where we are for the wrong reasons, but there's no need to write music that supposedly speaks for all US soldiers currently serving. I can guarantee Bruce writing this song "In the eyes of a soldier" as it was put, is not even what our soldiers are thinking about. Their first priority is staying alive in the line of duty. I doubt they have time to sit and wax poetic about why they are there. I think Bruce should have gotten a soldier's standpoint before he wrote this song through their eyes. |
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Post by CareyandRockMom on Mar 30, 2005 22:22:38 GMT -5
Vic,
You are 100% right. Being from NJ, I used to be a big Bruce fan. However, the political activisim turned me off totally. The thing I have learned over the years is that entertainers, actors, politicians all have axes to grind and are no more relevant than you and I are. I guess they worry more about saving the world than their own marriages. People with "names" that try to change my point of view turn me off. Especially when their credentials are acting and song writing.
Enough said. Keep on rockin like you do!!!!
Regards,
carey and Rock Mom
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Post by Victor Synn on Mar 31, 2005 3:15:48 GMT -5
Vic, You are 100% right. Being from NJ, I used to be a big Bruce fan. However, the political activisim turned me off totally. The thing I have learned over the years is that entertainers, actors, politicians all have axes to grind and are no more relevant than you and I are. I guess they worry more about saving the world than their own marriages. People with "names" that try to change my point of view turn me off. Especially when their credentials are acting and song writing. Enough said. Keep on rockin like you do!!!! Regards, carey and Rock Mom That's exactly my point. Because he made a few bucks in music, he feels he's the voice of reason for all Americans. Big deal. Look, I made a few bucks in music too. Does that mean I have a right to tell other people how they should think? Not in the least. Matter of fact, I tend not to write songs about anything going on currently in the news or any past news story because all it does is causes moral outrage like this thread. It's the same with that anti-American dickface Sean Penn. He went to Iraq with a cameraman and probably a platoon of the same soldiers he demoralized in his words protecting him. Talk about a double standard. You're calling us tyrants and yet you rely on the tyrant to keep you safe in foreign lands. How brave. How courageous. Makes me want to be just like old "I haven't done a legit movie in over a decade" Penn. Maybe Sean and Bruce should get together and figure out what they can do to spark their dying careers without totally dragging the freedoms we all have through the mud. The same freedom that allows these two ass clowns to drag it through the mud in the first place. |
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Post by Torn frayed on Mar 17, 2006 13:50:43 GMT -5
Vic and guys, I have to say that this forum has really turned me off of Hair Force One. Just because you choose to write music about nothing does not mean that no one should care.
All that it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.
Springsteen actually paid his dues and stood by his guns. I am surprised at the rantings on this board.
I came on here to check it out after Miles joined the band and I have to tell you I am disappointed.
You guys should at least acknowledge that some people can try to make the world a better place if they believe in their cause. Or are you adamant that music should be about partying and getting fucked and that is the extent of it?
When you guys influence a generation as much as Bruce did then you can write your songs about your opinions and maybe people will listen but I doubt it.
I didn't mean for this to happen. I came on this board fully liking you guys and what you do. I guess anyone can judge things wrong...
Peace & Prayers
Torn and Frayed
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Post by Victor Synn on Mar 17, 2006 16:41:48 GMT -5
Dave,
With due respect, I encourage you to hit the back button of your browser and read the title of this forum. It says "Vic's OPINION Board." To break that down for you, that means that yours truly posts in here whenever I have an opinion about something. You may also want to read the disclaimer on the forum as well which states that my opinions do not represent the band's opinions. If you wish to be "turned off" by the band based on my personal thoughts, then that's fine. I don't beg anyone to agree with the things I say. And lets be honest...you haven't been a HF1 supporter anyway. You came out to YP to support Rob and that's great, but that's all you were there for. So you being turned off is slightly hypocritical anyway because you rarely grace us with your presence in the first place.
That being said, I have an unalienable right to state my opinion about anything I choose. The First Amendment of the Bill of Rights gives me that privilege. I don't like Springsteen and his politics, nor do I like the way in which he goes about forcefeeding us his political views. If I had to make a choice between the music we cover that promotes partying and getting laid or the depressing political drivvel of Bruce Springsteen, I'll choose the former every time. Why? Because I don't need some aging relic telling me how fucked up the world is. I already know. I'm part of spaceship Earth every fucking time I open my eyes in the morning. I watch the news and its ultra left-wing politics everyday while getting ready for my day job. I want my music to be an escape. Not a fucking propaganda machine reminding me of things I'm already aware of.
Esentially, what you're doing here is being as close-minded as you feel I am. You say "You don't like Springsteen, so I won't come support you anymore." Not to sound like an asshole, but so what? If you don't like my views, that's great. You have the same First Amendment right as I do. However, I wouldn't make the same juvenile remark towards you as you have here. Had OGS continued, I would have came to see you. Not because I agree with you on your views, but because you're a fellow musician. Perhaps maybe you should step back and think about that before you make such an irrational and childish decision as you have. Best of luck to you in whatever new road you travel musically. I'll still come out to support you because that's what musicians SHOULD do to other musicians.
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Post by blacksatinlace on Mar 18, 2006 18:33:39 GMT -5
vic, amen it dont really matter if you are for the war or not you need to be for the men and women who are giving there lives for this country and alot of soldiers i talked to the are all for the war....they are make great progress over there no matter what the damn media says if you want the truth you ask the people in the front lines they tell a different storie than the media....we should of taken out saddam back when the first gulf war was if that happend we wouldnt be in this position right now....
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Post by MistressDB on Mar 20, 2006 2:27:11 GMT -5
wether it's right or wrong on why we are over there is all a matter of personal opinion. What does matter is that regardless of our personal views that we support our troups. They are there doing a job they willingly signed onto do regardless and they deserve our undying love and support.
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